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Introduction

Since early 2009, The Australian Government started offering full rebates for installation of ceiling insulation. At the time, any business or company with an ABN or ACN could carry out the work. As a result, the insulation industry started booming - including 'cowboys' without the experience nor qualification. Overseas batt manufacturers flooded the market with inferior products that do not confirm to Australian Standards, with some batts containing formaldehyde - a carcinogenic chemical.

Thousands of unscrupulous contractors and rogue businesses, without the appropriate qualification or experience, started making unsolicited calls to millions of residents offering insulation, regardless of whether it was required or not.

Most residents, unware of the risks, agreed to the installation. Because there were no out-of-pocket costs involved, the majority of residents were lured (usually by greed) into getting the work done. The government pays the installers for the costs of labour and materials. The environment minister, Peter Garret, is to blame for implementing such a programme without the proper measures or bugeting to prevent such things from happening.

A report on 16 February 2010 says up to 400,000 homes could have dodgey insulation installed. The foil insulation could lead to electrical fires if installed improperly. The imported batts could lead to health problems.

Problems

Often, the work is not up to the standard. Recently (January 2010) the Australian Government identified problems with foil-based insulation. Installers were not trained properly on the proper installation of this type of insulation. In several cases, installers were electrocuted from using metal fasteners, which inadvertently were driven into electrical wiring. Also, in older homes, the wiring has deteriorated (electrical insulation breakdown), with the conductor coming into contact with the foil, 'electrifying' the ceiling space. Anyone working in the space would be at risk of electrocution. The foil can also cause short-circuits if installed improperly, leading to house fires.

From 12 February 2010, installers are required to undertake training and gain the appropriate qualification before they are permitted to unertake such work.

Wasted taxpayer funds from unecessary installations. Residents in newer homes may not realise their existing insulation is already up to the standard. They then agree to the installation of 'extra' insulation, which has no added effects or advantages on their heating/cooling requirements. At a cost of $1200 per home, each unecessary installation adds more burden to taxpayer-funded budgets. Shonky installers will say anything to get your business.

Wated taxpayer funds from fradulent installations. A large number of properties that have agreed to have insulation installed have only had a partial installation done. The fraudulent shonky installers only install insulation material into one half, or even a quarter of the ceiling, hoping the owner doesn't realise they have been ripped off. The installer then claims the full $1200 rebate from the Australian Government, even though they only used $200 or less in materials.

Incorrect installations. Often, the new insulation batts are installed on top of existing insulation batts. In some cases, the old insulation must be removed to ensure the effectiveness of the new material. However, the contractors do not do so because it costs them money, so they take shortcuts.

Possible security risk. When thousands of installers (with their apprentices) go into millions of homes, residents' personal assets and property (such as TVs, computers, appliances, etc) can be seen and noted. Armed with such information, unscrupulous installers can potentially steal property, or pass/sell the information onto other crime syndicates.

Privacy breaches. Representative organisations call up with the intention of organising a date and time for an contractor to conduct an inspection and/or possible installation. The unsettling part is when they tell you your name, address and phone number and ask you to confirm if the details are correct. This must mean they have purchased, or been given address lists to use. These organisations gain a 'commission' to book in customers on behalf of contractors.

Risk of damage. There have been instances of installers failing to refurbish roof tiles, and the owner only finding out on a rainy day of a hole in their roof with leaks. Repairing the ceiling water damage can become a nightmare. Also, if insulation has been installed over downlights, there is a risk of fire.

Incompetent call centre staff. Most of the unsolicited calls are made by persons with an Indian accent. When questioned, most do not even know their company's ABN, phone number or even address. Perhaps they act stupid in order not to reveal such information? It is absurd that residents trust such businesses with major works on their homes when shonky businesses try to hide behind anonymity.

Bad call timings. The calls rarely occur in the mornings and afternoons. They usually happen between the hours of 5pm until 8pm. More often than not they call during dinner time - the most inappropriate time - especially when TV news programmes are covering the issue. It makes you wonder how these people even get business by irritating homeowners during these times.

Actions you can take

Don't accept installations from unsolicited callers. Often, they are there to make a quick dollar by:

If you decide your home really does need new or additional insulation installed, you should call a reputable installer. Only under exceptional circumstances accept work from an unsolicited caller.

Remember, the unsolicited installers are not there to look after your interests. They will simply do anything to get the work in order to make quick money.

As always, use the Australian Government's Do Not Call Register to prevent such calls from being made to you.

Accepting work from an unsolicited offer

If you do accept an installation offer from an unsolicited caller, you should always ask for:

When the installer arrives, and before work begins, ensure you record and verify:

Also make record of the date, time and how long the work took to complete. If there are problems in the future, it will be easier to make a complaint or even seek compensation from damages.

It is also difficult to make a request to 'fix' incorrect installations or subsequential damage as a result of negligence. The contractors will usually say 'you didn't pay for it, so don't complain'.

Culprits on the list:

Premium Installations Pty Ltd

An organisation that calls themselves 'Bliss', based in South Melbourne, an agency that calls on behalf of contractors and takes commission from insulation work

Aftermath

After Peter Garret closed down the scheme in mid February 2010, many legitimate insulation installation businesses were left without work. Employers were forced to sack workers due to lack of work.

Many homeowners with dodgey insulation installed have little recourse with the installers - almost all of the rogue and shonky installers would want to have nothing to do with the installation - and when called to rectify the problem, they refuse to take corrective action. It is now up to the government to send out auditors to inspect the installations.

Let Us know

If you know of any other businesses with bad practices, let us know!

Also, if your home has bad insulation installed, let us know here.


Comments

Phil Davis, Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:26 pm: Reply
I usually get one call per day from these people. Half the time I just hang up. I also tell them to stop wasting taxpayer dollars because I don't need their silly, unsafe services.

Update, Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:09 pm: Reply
Reputable installers have been sent text messages saying the scheme has ended. The messages possibly originates from shoddy operators trying to stop legitimate businesses from operating. Or it could be the actual Australian Government doing something about the issue.

The SMS says:
"Home Insulation Program has closed. Please check your emails for information. Aust Govt Msg."

Anonymous, Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:52 am: Reply
Peter Garret should be out of politics and reforming Midnight Oil.

Terry Hooper, Thu, 25 Mar 2010 04:36 pm: Reply
I am an electrical contractor and I do not know how to report a classic shonky insulation installation.
City West Installations (Tony Soliman) is the operator.
They installed ultra lightweight insulation on top of a good fluff insulation.
They told the home owner that because it had been there over 5 years, it had to be done.

Renee, Wed, 05 May 2010 02:12 pm: Reply
The above comment by Terry Hooper refers to me!! I googledf City West Installations to see if anyone else had the same problems. How do we complain?

The Insider, Thu, 06 May 2010 12:05 am: Reply
Hi Terry Hooper - lets just say official people know City West and all the other shonky insulation businesses. Such a shame the honest ones cop the flak as well.

Brad Ford, Fri, 07 May 2010 12:02 am: Reply
Want your say, go to FACEBOOK, search for GROUP called "dodgy insulation Australia".

jill, Tue, 11 May 2010 05:03 pm: Reply
We also used Citywest, a registered installer according to the government department. These broke corner roof tiles and somehow moved others out of alignment. A Government inspection showed that they put insulation over a ceiling fan (fire hazard) and split bats into thirds or quarters, so almost as bad as no insulation, left long gaps with no insulation and also moved the old blow-in insulation so that some of the ceiling now has no cover. Victorian Office of Fair Trading said that Citywest will not resolve any issues, and I gather there are a lot of very unhappy customers. You can take the matter to VCAT, at a cost, but your case won't be heard for at least 9 months! Not much help with our houses!

Pauline, Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:33 pm: Reply
We also used citywest. WE have had sore eyes since. Feels like it is coming through heating ducts. What can we do?

Helen, Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:01 am: Reply
We had Sydney City Insulations install insulation into our home in January this year. During the insulation process one of the installers their causing significant cracking (must of stepped on the ceiling), needing repair to the vaule of $1500, which the "supervisor" agreed to. The insulation itself was also not to standard requiring follow up inspection then correction to the shoddy work ie: downlights covered with insulation, bats halved to cover more area, some area not insulated at all. As soon as the government put a halt to the scheme this company went off the radar....therefore we still have a damaged ceiling with no apparent recourse

Brian Gillham, Thu, 12 May 2011 10:05 am: Reply
Many spaces were left uninsulated and some old Batts (17 years) were not removed and no New Insulation was placed over the old batts.

I have requested the install
er to inspect the job on numerous occasions but he has never turned up.

I am concerned about a fire hazzard if the insulation is shonky.

Kodger, Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:12 pm: Reply
Youll find that tony soliman, his brothers and cousins all opened ABNs just to scam these rebates, this bunch hiring unemploed/backpackers/arab & indian imports to install roughly and cheaply... They used half the batts theyre were meant to and broke peoples roofs without repairs. They made $19 million dollars in less than a year and now own many businesses and property in the epping/lalor/thomastown/south morang area.
These guys are worth more now and dodge us through insurance claims, gardening jobs and selling stolen boats/cars/pcs etc! The mastermind behind these setups is his cousin alex dayoub (ali jamil dayoub) and his brothers ahmad and ayman (who at times go by the names adam & emmanuel. All these fellas also change their names a lot and claim theyve never worked as their wives earn centrelink etc. Youll find it hard getting to them as they pay hush money to many in their areas. Good luck guys
Sarah, Sun, 02 Oct 2011 03:00 am:
ANYONE WITH INFORMATION ON ALEX AND HIS FAMILY PLEASE CONTACT ME VIA EMAIL ... I SUSPECT HE IS INVOLVED WITH RIPPING AUSTRALIANS OFF BIG $$ MORE THAN JUST WHAT HE HAS DONE TO ME AND MY FRIENDS..
ANY INFORMATON RE: ALEX DAYOUB, HIS WIFE / FAMILY , BUSINESSES , HOUSES.. PLEASE SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH HIM AND HIS SCAMS..
IM HAPPY TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCES WITH ALEX AND HIS FAMILY IF IT WILL HELP YOU IN ANY WAY!
PLEASE HELP ME no information is too small !!
lil_pink_bows@hotmail.com
M.d, Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:00 am:
Lol i take it u worked for him too you poor bugger, every dog gets his day and mate, alex is a fat dirty dog. I dont believe in god but i do believe in my fist, the girls been in bloody hiding :)))

Sonia, Sat, 24 Sep 2011 01:22 pm: Reply
I know who youre talking about koger,
He didnt complete our job, broke through our celing and we never saw him or his workers who had no previous exp in this industry.
His workers also spoke of how fraudulent and intimidatibg alex is and how he scammed australians in many ways!
He too hid behind the fact he calls himself a humble family man -

Alex belongs behinds bars
Sarah, Sat, 01 Oct 2011 09:51 pm:
Sonia.. ANYONE who has information re: Alex I would be so grateful to hear from you!! I am in a serious situation with "Alex" and just want to know if I am dealing with the same person.. Please anyone with ANY information reguarding him contact me ASAP even someone to confirm his appearance so that I know if its the same person. This would help so much
lil_pink_bows@hotmail.com

M.d, Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:56 am: Reply
Sarah?
Alex the devil was living in one of his properties at 2 baystone rd, epping with his new wife Fiona ali asad and their newborn baby.
His previous wife left him apparently as he was quite violent toward her and her baby.
He continues to scam. Hes also using illegally an old company name 'albern' probably al for alex and b for bernadette, his ex wife. I thought she was in on things until i found out shes not syrian like alex and he believes anyone who isnt muslim syrian needs to die.. Prob why he beat up on his old wife and child.
His parents still reside at 13 katrina court Thomastown but dont be fooled, they are the shifty old couple that egg their sons - these fools sell their souls for money.
Cant help u any further love, i now live in canada and have a busy life but wish u well in everything. Keep fighting for what is just

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